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Daddy-O



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: The best of the 'cheap'...er paddles Reply with quote

We are going to be purchasing two convertibles and need four paddles for them. I was planning on purchasing an extra cheap paddle to keep on each one of them, but I have read a lot about getting a good paddle. I want some good paddles, but don't want to spend an arm and a leg for them since I am purchasing the two kayaks, backbones and the paddles at the same time. I was hoping that someone could help me find the best paddles for the money.

I was hoping to get something for about $50.00 per paddle (or less). I can go over that, but want to keep things reasonable. I also want to be sure that I don't get paddles that will cause us to give up on long trips. I would rather spend more money on the 'right' paddles in that case. We will be using our kayaks in the Caribbean Sea (touring), and will not normally be on rivers. I was even thinking of getting two of one paddle and two of another, to give us some variety and allow us to switch off during the trip. What do you think?

Thank you (in advance),

Daddy-O
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KayakJack



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: The best of the 'cheap'...er paddles Reply with quote

Anything you get for $50 or under will be heavy, most likely made out of aluminum, and have a basic paddle surface. They won't work with long trips, make paddling an unenjoyable experience, and before long, you'll regret getting them. Try to stick with fiberglass and away from the aluminum. Do it right the first time.

I found the Carlisle Magic (Fiberglass) paddles strong, light, allows you to change different feather angles, etc. They are a bit over $50, but I was able to snare two off Ebay for less than $75 and then another off an online mail order place for $75/w shipping. You just have to keep your eyes out for them. If you can't wait, Carlisle makes some decent aluminum paddles around your price range.

ie: http://www.rei.com/product/767533

Good luck!



Daddy-O wrote:
We are going to be purchasing two convertibles and need four paddles for them. I was planning on purchasing an extra cheap paddle to keep on each one of them, but I have read a lot about getting a good paddle. I want some good paddles, but don't want to spend an arm and a leg for them since I am purchasing the two kayaks, backbones and the paddles at the same time. I was hoping that someone could help me find the best paddles for the money.

I was hoping to get something for about $50.00 per paddle (or less). I can go over that, but want to keep things reasonable. I also want to be sure that I don't get paddles that will cause us to give up on long trips. I would rather spend more money on the 'right' paddles in that case. We will be using our kayaks in the Caribbean Sea (touring), and will not normally be on rivers. I was even thinking of getting two of one paddle and two of another, to give us some variety and allow us to switch off during the trip. What do you think?

Thank you (in advance),

Daddy-O
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PJohanson



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:00 am    Post subject: Four paddles Reply with quote

If you will be having four paddlers on your outings, have a spare paddle as well. The spare can be a really cheap one from a sporting goods store for about $25, as it will rarely be used. But heck, it will still be useful for short outings. It would just be a bit heavy when you're paddling for two or three hours.
I would recommend checking out garage sales, swap-n-shops, thrift stores and online sales websites. Craigslist.com might have a former kayaker selling his/her old paddles. There's a website in my city called usedvictoria.com which often has someone post that they're selling kayaking gear at a good price. That's how I sold one of my kayaks.
Before you buy paddles at $50 to $100, borrow or rent two different lengths and see how they feel. Talk to the knowledgeable clerks in a canoeing and kayaking store, not the kid working in Wal-Mart who has never gone kayaking.
You might consider getting two 220 mm paddles and two 230 mm ones.

If any of your family gets blisters or says their hands get tired, get them to wear gloves. Real neoprene paddling gloves are best for cold water outings, but not essential. My sister-in-law and I wear gardening gloves with rubber palms and fingers -- means we don't get tired gripping a slippery paddle shaft! Our friend wears fingerless bike gloves for the padded grip.
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Daddy-O



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much for the help with selecting our paddles.

I agree with KayakJack when he said, "Do it right the first time." The Carlisle Magic paddles you gave a link to have aluminum shafts. Is that the one you meant to reference? They are only 38 ounces in weight and the price is right. rei also has the bending branches 'whisper' paddle for just $60.00. It is one ounce lighter than the Carlisle Magic paddles. I also found them on ebay for just a little less than at rei.

I like PJohanson's suggestion to get two different size (length) paddles is a great idea also. I am sure that I will do that. Thank you for that comment. We live in the Dominican Republic, and there aren't any shops down here that I know about where we can get advice. I would be hard pressed to find anything used down here also. We will have to get what we get online, or have some friends send to us.

SeaEagle has an 8' paddle with a carbon fiber shaft (in an oval shape) called the "Featherweight "WAVE" AB50" (just 2.2 oz) for $139.00. Is this a good paddle / deal? Is there something else in this price range that I should be looking at? I am thinking of getting two of the paddles that KayakJack mentioned in a 220cm or 230cm length, and two others (maybe slightly better) in a 230cm or 240cm length.

Please let me know if you think this is sound thinking and if you have any suggestions or opinions about the 'slightly better' paddles. Thank you again for your help. It is great advice for newbies like us.

Daddy-O
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PJohanson



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:04 am    Post subject: ooh la la Reply with quote

Carbon fiber is a fancy, lightweight fiber for shafts (and sometimes blades) that makes a strong, lightweight paddle. The $139 price is good for carbon. Sometimes carbon shaft paddles go on sale here for $99, down from $150.
(I'm in Canada, by the way.)
Two friends have carbon shaft paddles and love them. I have five aluminum shaft paddles for my boats, and a wooden Greenland paddle my husband made.
Kevlar fiber is even lighter and stronger than carbon, but costs about twice as much. Not going to matter to a beginner on short day outings, only to someone on a long expedition.

Longer paddles aren't only for taller people. Swap them round and see who likes a shorter paddle for more control or a longer paddle for more mechanical advantage.
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KayakJack



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Spare paddle for $10 and other useful stuff. Reply with quote

This is the spare paddle I keep on my kayak. It breaks into 4 pieces and its only $10!

http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=10312&memberId=12500226&storeId=226&catalogId=40000000226&langId=-1


I've also used this sizing guide to get the proper paddle fitting in the past:

http://www.wernerpaddles.com/chooseapaddle.php


In my order of preference when I choose a paddle: Carbon fiber, Fiberglass, Aluminum (if I really had to)

If I was on a budget: Fiberglass (even a used one found on Ebay is comparable in price to a new aluminum one) over an aluminum.

I'll only use an aluminum paddle if there is nothing else around.
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borisf



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:48 am    Post subject: west marine paddles broken first day Reply with quote

I was happy paddling my West Marine AE Convertible for the first time on the real river.

http://picasaweb.google.com/boris4senko/May2009?feat=directlink

Unfortunately one of my $122CAD Composite Fiber Pro 340 Kayak Paddle broke at the junction - simply crack down for pieces.
(see pictures in album above)
It was flat water, normal power applied, everything regular. Now I've no idea what to do. Of course they have 1 year warranty, but I feel like I cannot trust these paddles anymore, because it's something wrong in the design and/or material.

Did somebody use the same paddles? Is this a "bad luck" or real problem with this kind of paddles?

I'm still looking for the fiber paddles especially for my wife.

Would be grateful for any suggestions/opinions.
Boris

P.S. Note how important to be well prepared on the water. I've with me an adhesive tape to put on the (possible) holes in the kayak. So I used it to fasten the broken paddle and can paddle all the way back.

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PJohanson



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, the cracks are really visible in your photos!
I see you improvised a temporary repair with duct tape. That's a good reminder that it's a good idea to bring duct tape along in a gear bag, especially on long outings and camping trips.
Please post a follow-up note telling us what happens when you return the broken paddle to West Marine, and if they offer any reasons such as "it's a fluke" or "a bad batch got made" -- would be nice to know.
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lee johnson



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boris -
I also splintered the composite shaft of a Pro 340 WM paddle when doing a quick turn in my AF 1 - right at the place where the paddle clicks together. WM quickly replaced the paddle at no charge, but I have since picked up two sets of the AE 2015 four-piece touring paddles - strong as can be - I don't think I can destroy them when carving a power-turn. My only concern about the 2015s is that they have aluminum shafts, and I do a lot of salt-water kayaking - hence the need to rinse them very thoroughly. Actually, I still use my remaining set of Pro 340s at sea but hold back a bit from unleashing my inner Norwegian Troll. That beast comes out when I am using the 2015s. The AE 2015s are a great value at West Marine, btw: still $69.95, whereas most places charge a hundred dollars for them. But, I would like the Forum's advice on really strong composite-shaft paddles in the $100-150 range: they are warmer in freezing weather. The 2015s are nevertheless surprisingly light-weight for such strong paddles with aluminum shafts.
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lee johnson



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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post Script: when my composite-shaft paddle shattered in the middle, temps were below freezing. I have wondered if plastic, fiberglass, carbon-fiber, etc., shafts behave differently in different temperatures. Boris and I face a lot of chilly conditions here in Canada. Could that be a factor (or is the fact that our faulty paddles were made in Italy where warmth is their byword!!)? Metal shafts are cold in freezing temps, even though they may be less affected by temperature gradients. But it would be good to pick up strong, non-aluminum shaft paddles that hold up in cold weather and are less affected by salt.
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PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AE2015 four-piece paddles continue to grow in their attractiveness. Recently, my son and I took our Expeditions out on Pitt Lake here in British Columbia. Pitt Lake is the world's largest tidal freshwater lake, with strong currents at its southern end where the Pitt River starts. It is a large lake - about forty miles in circumference - and is surrounded by snow-capped mountains. The fact that we could paddle for nearly five hours straight, in a variety of challenging conditions of wind and waves to augment the shifting tidal currents, is a testimony to the strength of those paddles, their essentially light weight for hours of use at a time, and, of course, the comfort and hull speed of the EXPs. In sum, the more we use these paddles, the more we like them and have confidence in their strength and efficient blade design. The AE 2015 is fast becoming my standard paddle. A specialist in kayak paddles at Mountain Equipment Co-op here also praises the 2015s and says not to worry about using them in salt water: just be sure to rinse them well afterward - they'll be fine. Also, his solution to metal shafts in cold weather: wear better gloves! In other words, these paddles are "classics" of strength, design, and value - and I should stop creating problems where there aren't any - just use them in the confidence that they will get the job done. Wink
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borisf



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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Paddles for AE Convertible Reply with quote

Hi everybody, glad to be back with you on the Forum. It's really very helpful and supportive. My story with the broken West Marine 340 paddles seems turned to have a Happy End. West Marine refunded two paddles with no words but apology and I bought two new ones Carlisle Magic Plus fiberglass shaft 230 for 89.77 CAN each due to sale at Bass Pro Shop in Toronto.
http://www.carlislepaddles.com/product/kayak_paddles/magic_plus.aspx

Lee, I appreciate very much your suggestion on four pieces AE paddles but I was not able to find them in Toronto and I don't like to pay big bucks for shipping them to Canada. I hope Carlisle will justify they brand name and my paddles will serve longer than West Marine's ones. Summer is coming and I hope to paddle more often and not in the freezing waters Smile. Best adventures for all of you. Thank you for the support.
Boris
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaddyO wrote:
Thank you so much for the help with selecting our paddles.

I agree with KayakJack when he said, "Do it right the first time." The Carlisle Magic paddles you gave a link to have aluminum shafts. Is that the one you meant to reference? They are only 38 ounces in weight and the price is right. rei also has the bending branches 'whisper' paddle for just $60.00. It is one ounce lighter than the Carlisle Magic paddles. I also found them on ebay for just a little less than at rei.

I like PJohanson's suggestion to get two different size (length) paddles is a great idea also. I am sure that I will do that. Thank you for that comment. We live in the Dominican Republic, http://phenq-avis.com/en phenq diet pills and there aren't any shops down here that I know about where we can get advice. I would be hard pressed to find anything used down here also. We will have to get what we get online, or have some friends send to us.



Please let me know if you think this is sound thinking and if you have any suggestions or opinions about the 'slightly better' paddles. Thank you again for your help. It is great advice for newbies like us.

Daddy-O


SeaEagle has an 8' paddle with a carbon fiber shaft (in an oval shape) called the "Featherweight "WAVE" AB50" (just 2.2 oz) for $139.00. Is this a good paddle / deal? Is there something else in this price range that I should be looking at? I am thinking of getting two of the paddles that KayakJack mentioned in a 220cm or 230cm length, and two others (maybe slightly better) in a 230cm or 240cm length.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lee johnson wrote:
AE2015 four-piece paddles continue to grow in their attractiveness. Recently, my son and I took our Expeditions out on Pitt Lake here in British Columbia. Pitt Lake is the world's largest tidal freshwater lake, with strong currents at its southern end where the Pitt River starts. It is a large lake - about forty miles in circumference - and is surrounded by snow-capped mountains. The fact that we could paddle for nearly five hours straight, in a variety of challenging conditions of wind and waves to augment the shifting tidal currents, is a testimony to the strength of those paddles, their essentially light weight for hours of use at a time, and, of course, the comfort and hull speed of the EXPs. In sum, the more we use these paddles, the more we like them and have confidence in their strength and efficient blade design. The AE 2015 is fast becoming my standard phen375 uk paddle. A specialist in kayak paddles at Mountain Equipment Co-op here also praises the 2015s and says not to worry about using them in salt water: just be sure to rinse them well afterward - they'll be fine. Also, his solution to metal shafts in cold weather: wear better gloves! In other words, these paddles are "classics" of strength, design, and value - and I should stop creating problems where there aren't any - just use them in the confidence that they will get the job done. Wink


i really appreciated all member's suggestion & thanks to share our experience about it.....
Have a nice day Good job to help them others
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